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does everyone use kaioken?
Topic Started: Jun 30 2013, 04:25 PM (2,286 Views)
lunar2 Jun 30 2013, 10:07 PM Post #31
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 that's what piccolo said.

Chapter: 346 (DBZ 152), P14.3
Piccolo: “Commit this to memory: when we fight, we amplify what you guys call ‘energy’, causing it to explode. That’s why the energy you stole from me earlier doesn’t matter…”

dr. gero was able to steal nearly all of piccolo's energy, but because piccolo is able to amplify his ki, it doesn't matter in their fight.
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+ Clearin Jun 30 2013, 10:09 PM Post #32
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 Dr Gero also knew about Kaioken though so it'd be pointless to bring it up either way.
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DEY DID DIS 2 ME Jun 30 2013, 10:11 PM Post #33
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Clearin
Jun 30 2013, 10:09 PM
Dr Gero also knew about Kaioken though so it'd be pointless to bring it up either way.
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bardock1990 Jun 30 2013, 10:13 PM Post #34
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 Something this important would have been touched upon for sure, not just one vague quote that could have several meanings. I don't believe anybody but Goku used Kaioken.
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lunar2 Jun 30 2013, 10:30 PM Post #35
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bardock1990
Jun 30 2013, 10:13 PM
Something this important would have been touched upon for sure, not just one vague quote that could have several meanings. I don't believe anybody but Goku used Kaioken.
you mean like the way the ssj boost is different vs. frieza than it is in later arcs? never once mentioned in the series, but anyone who runs the numbers can tell you it has to be true.

unless, of course, goku was using the kaioken against frieza while ssj. then ssj vs. frieza can be 5x, which also works for later arcs.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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bardock1990 Jun 30 2013, 10:43 PM Post #36
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lunar2
Jun 30 2013, 10:30 PM
bardock1990
Jun 30 2013, 10:13 PM
Something this important would have been touched upon for sure, not just one vague quote that could have several meanings. I don't believe anybody but Goku used Kaioken.
you mean like the way the ssj boost is different vs. frieza than it is in later arcs? never once mentioned in the series, but anyone who runs the numbers can tell you it has to be true.

unless, of course, goku was using the kaioken against frieza while ssj. then ssj vs. frieza can be 5x, which also works for later arcs.
No, I mean in the way that if the humans as well as Piccolo used Kaioken this would have been made very clear as it is a huge thing. You haven't proven anything especially not by being this stubborn.
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+ Pyrus Jun 30 2013, 11:05 PM Post #37
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 Kaio-ken is only listed under Goku as users of the technique in the guidebooks (2, 4 and 7) for what it's worth. Even in D2 where it describes Gero's and Piccolo's battle, there isn't a mention of anything resembling the use of Kaio-ken.

Why couldn't it just be Piccolo doing the same thing Goku did against the Ginyu Force? Is that not the simplest solution, considering Piccolo was said to be under Base Vegeta but then goes and proves himself capable of owning an android superior to Super Saiyan Trunks from three years back?
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lunar2 Jun 30 2013, 11:35 PM Post #38
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Jun 30 2013, 11:05 PM
Kaio-ken is only listed under Goku as users of the technique in the guidebooks (2, 4 and 7) for what it's worth. Even in D2 where it describes Gero's and Piccolo's battle, there isn't a mention of anything resembling the use of Kaio-ken.

Why couldn't it just be Piccolo doing the same thing Goku did against the Ginyu Force? Is that not the simplest solution, considering Piccolo was said to be under Base Vegeta but then goes and proves himself capable of owning an android superior to Super Saiyan Trunks from three years back?
because that is just suppression. suppression has been old news for a while at this point.

@kaioken being a huge deal. not really. except for piccolo (who stated he could amplify his power in a fight) no one besides the saiyans were relevant in any fights, so whether they could or not wouldn't necessarily be mentioned because it was not relevant.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

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everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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Super Vegetto Jun 30 2013, 11:38 PM Post #39
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 Hmm what about Ssj Goku vs 19.

Gero mentioned that 19 could handle it, but obviously couldnt when Goku started to fight.

Do you think that is the same thing that happend with Piccolo ?
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DEY DID DIS 2 ME Jun 30 2013, 11:53 PM Post #40
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 @suppression

They weren't suppressed, they just weren't at fighting power. Suppression takes effort, whereas a particular range of power is fairly easy to raise and drop.

i.e. Son Goku

[0k, 5k[ suppressing
[5k, 70k[ ready
[70k, 90k[ fighting
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Super Gohan Jul 1 2013, 01:52 AM Post #41
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 The Kaio-ken is not simply a Ki increase; the technique bears very extreme effects on the user.

Piccolo is referring to how Ki is transformed when they’re actually fighting, in contrast to the state of Ki when it is at rest and not carefully controlled. It is a process that’s demonstrated to occur naturally even for those not mindful of their Ki. For instance, when the Great Saiyaman attempted to locate Videl, he had to wait patiently until she started fighting to effectively do so. The concept is alluded to through statements before and after Piccolo gives a detailed explanation to #20. Even not too long earlier, when Yamcha, Krillin, and Gohan have difficulty finding Goku and co. it’s expressed to be due to the fact that they were both not fighting, and deliberately suppressing their Ki.

Chapter: 334 (DBZ 140), P7.3
Context: seeing Super Saiyan Goku
Yamcha: “Wh…what ki…and he’s not even fighting…”

Chapter: 386 (DBZ 192), P3.5
Context: after Trunks transforms into Grade III
Kuririn: “He hasn’t even braced himself yet, but this is a fearsome ki… I’ll never get used to Saiyans…”
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Alex D. Boss Jul 1 2013, 10:27 PM Post #42
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 I think Super Gohan just ate this tread smh.
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